generally speaking, not unless the alien has been convicted of a criminal defense. >> sean: joining me to explain more is the man you heard from, chris crane, welcome to the program. thank you for being here. >> thanks, sean, good evening. >> sean: i've got to get this straight. because i thought we were a nation of laws and we obviously have a process and congress passes laws and presidents sign them into law. and you're testifying that ice has essentially prohibited agents from enforcing these laws and that mean that people -- you cannot arrest aliens because they entered the country illegally or because they overstayed their visa. you're saying you cannot enforce the law? >> absolutely, sean. and i think you're probably aware that he we currently, as ice agents right now, have a lawsuit against this administration because you know, they've put us in this position where they're ordering us not to enforce the law and if we refuse those orders, and attempt to enforce the law, then we, as officers, will be disciplined up to and including removal. so, absolutely. when you look at-- and i